Speed Cameras For Bikes

[DavidFL]

Traffic fines to increase from Monday 5th September 2022

Penalty for speeding to rise four-fold to B4,000

Fines for traffic offences will increase, with penalties for speeding or failing to stop at pedestrian crossings rising four-fold to 4,000 baht,
when the amended Land Traffic Act comes into force on Monday, Sept 5.
Pol Gen Damrongsak Kittiprapat, the deputy national police chief and director of the traffic management centre, on Friday outlined the new
penalties as follows:

* Motorists convicted of drink driving will face a jail term of up to one year and/or a fine of 5,000 to 20,000 baht. If they repeat the
same offence within two years, they will face a jail term of up to two years and/or a fine of 50,000 to 100,000 baht.
* Fines for traffic law offenders will be increased from 1,000 baht to 4,000 baht for driving at speeds exceeding the legal limit, jumping
red lights at intersections and failing to stop at a pedestrian crossing.
* Fines for those who drive backwards, fail to wear crash helmets and safety belts will be increased to 2,000 baht from 500 baht.
* Drivers convicted of driving without regard for the safety of others’ lives will face up to one year in jail and/or a fine of between 5,000 and 20,000 baht, compared with up to 3 months’ jail time and/or a fine of 2,000 to 10,000 baht at present.

The amended traffic law also imposes heavy penalties for street racers, organisers of street races and operators of shops that modify motorcycles for street racing.

Source: Traffic fines to increase from Monday

It will be interesting to see how it actually works in practice. I suspect their will be plenty of room for unreceipted negotiation.

 

[DavidFL]

What a surprise, a reprieve for 3 months

Steep new traffic fine rates held in abeyance for three months

Traffic police will not enforce the new hefty fines against traffic violators for three months while a public awareness campaigns is carried out about the new traffic law and the new fine rates, a senior police officer said on Monday.

Pol Maj-General Preecha Charoensahayanon, deputy director of the Traffic Management Centre of the Royal Thai Police, said although the new traffic law took effect on Monday, he has instructed traffic police nationwide to use the old fine rates for three months.

During the three-month period, traffic police would also educate traffic violators about the heavier penalties that are actually designed to protect motorists against road accidents, Preecha added.

He said although the maximum fines for violating speed limits and traffic lights would be 4,000 baht, police would be fining the violators 500 baht during the three-month period, Preecha said.

“This will give enough time to motorists to adapt themselves and obey the new traffic law,” Preecha said.

After the three-month leniency period, they would use ladder-step fines for offences related to pedestrians’ safety, such as violation of the zebra-crossing sign, red light, and failing to use a safety belt or failing to wear crash helmets in the case of motorcyclists, Preecha added.

The step-fines would start from 500 baht and would increase to 1,000 baht for the second violation of the same offence, he said.

He said police would record the number of violations of each type of offence on the online Police Ticket Management system. The system would state the fine rates for use nationwide, he added.

Preecha said records of drunk-driving before September 5 would not be counted in the new fine system but police would start counting the number of drunk driving occasions from Monday.

The new fine rates for traffic violations include:

- 5,000 to 10,000 baht and/or three-month imprisonment for racing on roads

- 10,000 to 20,000 baht and/or six-month imprisonment for organising road racing

- 2,000 baht for failing to use safety belts. Passengers in all seats must use safety belts.

- 5,000 to 20,000 baht and/or one-year imprisonment for first-time drunk driving.

- 50,000 to 100,000 baht and two-year imprisonment for repeating drunk driving offence within two years

- 4,000 baht for violation of speed limits

- 4,000 baht for violation of red light

- 4,000 baht for failing to stop for pedestrians at zebra crossing

- 2,000 baht for driving against the traffic flow

- 2,000 baht for violation of parking ban

- 2,000 baht for failing to wear crash helmet

- 5,000 to 20,000 baht and/or one-year imprisonment for reckless driving endangering others’ life.

Source: Steep new traffic fine rates held in abeyance for three months

Monday, September 05, 2022

 

[Dodraugen]

There is an enormous potential for revenue from those fines….

-2.000 baht for failing to wear a crash helmet

I use to count the first 100 passing motorbikes and see how many who wears a helmet. In Chiang Mai city center around 50 % of bikeriders wear a helmet at daytime. After dark the same number is around 30 %.
In Udon Thani around 12-13 % of bike riders wore a helmet…

 

[DavidFL]

Some common sense may prevail.

Thailand General Party leader wants traffic fines reduced to stop corruption!

Mongkolkit Suksintharanon, a list MP and leader of the Thai Civilised Party, said he is gathering signatures to support a bill to amend the Land Traffic Act and reduce the size of the new range of fines, which are too high and conducive to corruption.

The Land Traffic Act was recently amended to increase fines for traffic violations. The steep new fines were to take effect from Sept 5, but have been put on hold for three months.

Mr Mongkolkit said the new fines were too high. For example
the fine for exceeding the speed limit has increased from 500 baht to 4,000 baht;
traffic light violations from 500 baht to 4,000 baht;
not wearing a motorcycle safety helmet from 400 baht to 2,000 baht.
The penalty for speeding rises four-fold

Money collected from the fines would be shared among agencies - local administrations, the central government and traffic police - and used to pay informants for information leading to the arrest of traffic violators.

Mr Mongkolkit said he had not believed Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha would do this "horrible thing" to the people before he was suspended from duty as prime minister by the Constitution Court. He said this was an act of oppression.

"The increase in the fines only serves to condone corruption. I agree with the points deduction and suspension of driving licences, but not with the steep fines.

I believe most opposition MPs do not agree with the amendment, which was proposed by the government," he said. "So, to help the people, I will gather the signatures of up to 20 MPs to propose a bill to amend the Land Traffic Act to lower the fines to no more than the minimum wage," he said.

"The sharing of money from the fines would be left out, but the points deductions would remain.

Source: Party leader wants traffic fines reduced to stop corruption
6th September 2022.

 

[DavidFL]

The new system is back on for 9th January 2023

Police to start new driver points system from January 9 to cut road accidents

A new score system for motorists aimed at boosting road safety and cutting road accidents will come into force from January 9, the National Police chief said on Thursday.

Pol General Damrongsak Kittiprapas told a press conference at the Royal Thai Police headquarters that each motorist with a driving licence would start with a credit of 12 points, and they will be docked penalty points depending on the severity of their traffic offence.

Speeding, not wearing the seatbelt, riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet, failing to stop at a zebra crossing, and using a phone while driving will each cost a one-point deduction. Jumping the red light would be a two-point cut.

Motorists will be docked three points for a hit-and-run offence, and four points for driving while drunk or under the influence of narcotics, and for involvement in illegal road racing.
Also, motorists who fail to pay their traffic fines will get their scores reduced, the police chief said.

The points reduction will be carried out electronically through the Police Ticket Management (PTM) system, which records all traffic offences, he said.

“If the driver’s score is zero, the driving licence will be suspended for 90 days. They will be notified in writing by the police,” Damrongsak said.

He added that those who drive during the suspension of their driving licence risk a maximum jail sentence of three months and/or a fine of up to 10,000 baht.

“Three suspensions within three years will lead to a suspension longer than 90 days. Those with a fourth suspension may see their driving licence revoked,” the police chief warned.

Docked points will be restored a year after the offence is committed, except in cases where all 12 points are deducted.

Those with zero points are required to undergo and pass training by the Department of Land Transport in order to get all 12 points restored. Only two of such training facilities are available per year.

Motorists may check their scores at the E-Ticket PTM website and the Khub Dee mobile application, according to the police chief. Traffic fines can be paid through the Paotang app.

“The points system for motorists is based on the principle of transparency and equality under international standards. Offenders are allowed opportunities to correct their behaviour. The goal is to reduce road accidents and increase road safety for everyone,” said the police chief.

The driver score system is a collaboration between the Royal Thai Police, the Department of Land Transport, Krungthai Bank, and National Telecom Plc.

Police to start new driver points system from January 9 to cut road accidents

A new score system for motorists aimed at boosting road safety and cutting road accidents will come into force from January 9, the National Police chief said on Thursday.

www.nationthailand.com

One point for

• Using a cell phone while driving
• Not wearing a crash helmet on a motorcycle
• Not fastening the seatbelt
• Exceeding the speed limit
• Riding motorcycles on the pavement
• Failing to stop for pedestrians at zebra crossings
• Not giving way to emergency vehicles
• Reckless driving
• Driving without a license plate
• With the license plate covered
• Not showing road tax sign
• Driving with unpaid traffic tickets
• Failing to obey traffic signs
• Failing to produce a driving license
• Parking in no-parking areas
• Not staying to the left lane while driving

Two points for

• Driving on the wrong side of the road
• Driving on a suspended or revoked license
• Failing to stop at traffic lights.

Three points for

• Drivers found to be incompetent
• Commit a hit and run
• Driving without due care and attention.

Four points for

• Drunk driving
• Driving while under the influence of narcotics
• Driving without regard for the safety of others.

See also

Point Deduction on Bad Drivers to Start on Jan 9

Point deduction will start on Jan 9 next year on the drivers who violate traffic rules, said the national police chief.

tna.mcot.net

Point system to curb traffic violations to be enforced from January 9th - Thai PBS World

Starting January 9th, the Royal Thai Police and the Land Transport Department will enforce a demerit point system to curb traffic violations and dangerous

www.thaipbsworld.com

Driving licence point deductions to start Jan 9

A points deduction system for traffic violations will begin on Jan 9 next year, with the loss of all points resulting in a 90-day suspension of drivers’ licences, according to officials.

www.bangkokpost.com

 

[DavidFL]

The demerit points system is a goer - 9th January 2023

540 drivers have driving license points deducted on 1st day of new system

Altogether 540 motorists and motorcyclists had driving license points deducted on the first day of the enforcement of the points system yesterday (Monday), said the spokesman for the Royal Thai Police, Pol Maj-Gen Archayon Kraithong today.

The most common violations were failure to display a valid annual road tax sticker (233), not displaying license plates (81) and speeding (63). Details of other violations are not available.

He said that police have been ordered to enforce the system strictly, to promote discipline among motorists and motorcyclists and to reduce road accidents, loss of life and damage to property.

Meanwhile, Deputy Government Spokesperson Rachada Dhnadirek said that the National Telecommunications Public Company, in cooperation with the Royal Thai Police, the Land Transport Department and the state-run Krung Thai Bank, have developed an application called “Khub Dee”, through which all drivers can check their driving license points, points deducted and fines imposed.

They can also check their previous traffic tickets and challenge alleged traffic law infringements.

Drivers can download the app through the Apple App Store or Google Play by typing “Khub Dee” and signing in through their Facebook, Line, I Cloud or Google accounts and accepting terms and conditions. Then they fill in their ID card and driving license numbers.

They can also check the status of their driving license points at the following website: ใบสั่งจราจรออนไลน์สำหรับประชาชน

Source: Thai PBS 10th January 2023

 

[jimboy]

After the three-month leniency period, they would use ladder-step fines for offences related to pedestrians’ safety, such as violation of the zebra-crossing sign, red light, and failing to use a safety belt or failing to wear crash helmets in the case of motorcyclists, Preecha added.

The step-fines would start from 500 baht and would increase to 1,000 baht for the second violation of the same offence, he said.

For the avoidance of doubt, as lawyers love to say, are speeding fines on a "ladder-step" ratchet 500THB, 1000THB, etc, or is it 4,000THB per offense from the first faux pas?

Surely Ughetto has taken one for the team by now?

 

[Ughetto]

Just get one yesterday from dicember 2022 wiang papao 500 thai baht speed limit 50 my speed 100

 

[scotty007]

Just get one yesterday from dicember 2022 wiang papao 500 thai baht speed limit 50 my speed 100

Got me there both ways in and out of the Hot Springs in my car though!

 

[DavidFL]

Another tightening of the noose.....

Thai land transport officials will collect traffic fines on behalf of the police.

The Land Transport Department (LTD) signed an agreement with the Royal Thai Police today (Wednesday), under which LTD officials will collect traffic ticket fines on behalf of the police when motorists and motorcyclists show up for annual car tax renewals.

Under this landmark agreement, the two state agencies will link their electronic information systems, particularly the information about traffic violations and traffic tickets issued by the police to traffic law offenders caught by surveillance cameras or by traffic police officers.

Police have been trying for many years to get the LTD to help in the collection of traffic ticket fines, as many of people have refused to pay and the police are powerless to deal with the problem.

Under this cooperation agreement, LTD officials will demand that motorists and motorcyclists pay outstanding fines when they apply for annual car tax renewal. They can pay on the spot, in which case they will be issued with a tax sticker. Those who refuse to pay will be issued with a temporary sticker, which is valid for 30 days, after which they will have to pay the fines or face action by the police.

Pol Gen Damrongsak Kittipraphat said today that measures to delay the issuance of tax stickers to traffic offenders will complement the point deduction system, which will enhance traffic discipline among motorists and motorcyclists.

This new measure will be enforceable as of April 1st and will not be retroactive.

Motorists or motorcyclists who have questions about their traffic tickets or their point deduction score can check with the E-ticket PTM website or the “Khab Dee” application.

Source: Thai land transport officials will collect traffic fines on behalf of the police

 

[DavidFL]

R201 north of Loei. There are rear facing cameras on the light pole outside the Loei Highway Police Station.

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[DavidFL]

The ticket & post above got me thinking & looking a bit more at the intersections with traffic lights that I pass through in the top North.
Returning from a trip to Mae Sai & Chiang Rai today I picked up on 2 rear facing cameras.

1. 20°13'14.1"N 100°07'53.3"E · 1290 Tambon Ban Saeo, Amphoe Chiang Saen, Chang Wat Chiang Rai 57110, Thailand

I must be more careful at this one as I often run the red light on the shoulder of the road, going from Chiang Sean to Chiang Khong, especially if there is no traffic around.

2. Ban Du at the airport intersection. On R1, heading south bound from Mae Sai, there is a rear facing camera just north of the intersection.

19°57'34.2"N 99°51'10.8"E · 19.959500, 99.853000

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Are these cameras recording driving infringements?
I don't know. But it may be a good idea to note where the rear facing cameras are now.

 

[DavidFL]

An interesting news item - you don't have to pay your fines, if you challenge them in court??

Police will still ticket motorists despite ruling.

Motorists will continue to be ticketed despite the Central Administrative Court (CAC) deciding police have issued traffic tickets unlawfully since July 2020.
The CAC ruled on Sept 27 that a Royal Thai Police (RTP) announcement which went into effect on July 20, 2020, pertaining to traffic tickets, was unlawful.
The ruling came after Supa Chotngam, a motorist, petitioned the court asking the announcement be revoked. She lodged the petition against the RTP and the national police chief.
The court, which made public its ruling on Oct 6, found the RTP announcement misled Ms Supa into believing she had committed a traffic offence and had to pay a fine with no right to dispute the ticket. It contravened Section 29 of the constitution, according to the CAC.
Section 29 stipulates that an accused person is presumed innocent until proven guilty. No law enforcement authority must treat such a person as though they have already committed an offence.
The CAC decided the announcement was also unlawful in setting fixed rates of traffic fines when the matter should be left to the direction of traffic police. The announcement was made under the Land Traffic Act.
The CAC ordered the announcement be revoked with retrospective effect from July 20, 2020, raising confusion over whether motorists should pay traffic tickets issued since or if the police can continue to hand out tickets.
It was reported that a minority judge in the case argued the petitioner could not be presumed to be devoid of a right to dispute her ticket. In fact, according to the judge, the petitioner was entitled to refuse to pay the fine and contest the case in court. The announcement, therefore, does not cause her right to dispute the ticket to be forfeited.
The RTP has 30 days in which to appeal the CAC’s ruling. If the RTP does not appeal, revocation of the announcement will take effect.
According to deputy national police chief Pol Gen Surachate Hakparn, the RTP will appeal against the ruling, reports said.
Pending the outcome, Pol Gen Surachate said fine will need to be paid at the rates specified in the announcement and traffic police will carry on issuing tickets.

Source: Police will still ticket motorists despite ruling

 

[Morningrider]

Re the traffic camera above at 1290 Tambon Ban Saeo, it looks like this on Streetview. These don't t look like radar cameras for speeding tickets. Are surveillance cameras like these linked to the traffic lights and used to detect red light runners automatically?

 

[DavidFL]

Re the traffic camera above at 1290 Tambon Ban Saeo, it looks like this on Streetview. These don't t look like radar cameras for speeding tickets. Are surveillance cameras like these linked to the traffic lights and used to detect red light runners automatically?

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Good point. Well done taking the time to stop & take a pic.
I'm usually busy creeping across, running those red lights on the shoulder of the road - twice today at the location. LOL.

 

[Morningrider]

Actually, it was armchair research. I pasted your coordinates into Google Maps and used Streetview to look upward at the camera. In this way I also tried to find the radar camera that took the 151km/h speeding ticket above, to see what it looks like and what I should watch out for, but I couldn't find one. It might have been a mobile unit. Note the User ID printed on the speeding ticket: 1234.