Bump for Moto-Rex's postDavidfl;264369 wrote: HOUEI XAI - THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE
DON XAO
The Lao island in the Mekong
I've been to Don Sao many times by boat from the Golden Triangle on the Thai side, delivering maps with Happy-Go-Lucky & stocking up on Beer Laos.
Actually getting my bike onto the island has always been one of my "dreams."
And it was no big deal. The Chinese are taking over & there is a dry season causeway out to the island (from the Laos side of course.)
The river road on the Laos side is just about all asphalt to the GT except for a few kms of stony dirt / gravel.
Then once you get to the GT you are in the Chinese Casino & Entertainment city.
It is almost like being in another world!
but it is a work in progress.
Housing being built for the masses who will eventually live & settle there.
The new immigration checkpoint
ready a bit before it's time
and not for farang to use!
The Golden Triangle view from the Laos side
Need a taxi to get around
I saw stretch limos on the road between Houei Xai & The Golden Triangle. No doubt running punters up & down from HX.
The AT was in a class of it's own in the car park & attracted a few admirers!
Ho. Ho.
Eventually you wont need to use the limo to get to the GT from HX, but fly straight in. The new airstrip.
Progress & it is full speed ahead in N Laos with the Chinese "taking over."
Eventually even the tourist shops on Don Sao island will have to go & everybody move out. Go see it now while you can & it is still there.
See
Asia Times Online :: Southeast Asia news and business from Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam
and
Asia Times Online :: Southeast Asia news and business from Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam
for info on the almighty Chinese investments.
AT's still looking great - a forum headline pic here.Davidfl;265859 wrote:
An Update on the controversial train projectDavidfl;265965 wrote: VANG VIENG Contd
another couple of breakfast snaps from the Ban Sabai
Actually the best views must now be from the hot air balloon service
Yep that's right Vang Vieng now has hot air balloon rides.
Run by Chinese company. There's a link here
http://www.vangviengtour.com/balloon-over-vangvieng/
to some info.
Also try this one
http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/Laos/West/Vang-Vieng/blog-559104.html
My only snap
grabbed quickly as it caught me by surprise landing just upstream from where I was quietly imbibing.
A little further downstream, at "the end of town" there's a superb new resort being built.
The Villa Vang Vieng
The riverside bungalows look inviting & inexpensive. This place is also somewhere I'd like to take happy-go-lucky.
My stay in VV was only spoiled by the group of noisy Chinese staying at the Vilayvong guesthouse. A large group they had 15 rooms booked
all the bungalows, plus riverside rooms on the car park side were theirs. Plus they had vehicles to spare.
and what was it all about
The high speed China - Laos railway. Announced last year with a completion date set for 2014!
Hard to believe? Then take a look at this
some more info from Lao Voices
When I first read the reports, I thought yeah yeah, maybe in 10 more years, but after seeing the staff & vehicles in Vang Vieng it is full speed ahead & I don't doubt that it will happen in just a few years, although the 2014 date still seems unrealistic. But then again. There are a few thousand Chinese in the country working non-stop on the project. West of Phou Khoun supposedly they are digging the tunnels already & there are huge camps of Burmese? labourers out there doing the heavy work. How fast time changes in Laos. Best ride & go there asap.
http://world.time.com/2013/04/15/laoss-mammoth-train-project-a-fast-track-to-debt-and-despair/
TIME World Laos
Laos’ Mammoth Train Project a Fast Track to Debt and Despair
By Charlie Campbell
April 15, 2013
Change is coming to sleepy Laos in the form of a $7.2 billion railway, set to carve its way through this war-ravaged nation. The costs are to be borne by the Laotian government, courtesy of a Chinese loan amounting to a staggering 86% of Laos’ annual $8.3 billion GDP. The level of indebtedness has led some to condemn the scheme as the latest example of Beijing’s inexorable expansion into Southeast Asia. Aghast economists fear that such exorbitant spending could saddle an already impoverished nation with an insurmountable deficit. Moreover, in Laos’ shadowy police state, where even household-name dissidents are “disappeared” without a murmur of explanation, there are serious doubts on whether ordinary Lao could influence the course of a deal inked by their communist government, however unfavorable it may prove.
Pockmarked by decades of war in the 20th century (per capita, it is the most bombed nation on the planet, according to the U.N.), Laos remains caught in a time warp, and by almost every indicator it is one of the world’s poorest countries. Some progress is being made — Laos finally sealed World Trade Organization membership in February, and is eagerly awaiting the launch of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Economic Community, expected by 2015 — but most people live on less than $5 a day. Agriculture, generally subsistence rice farming, dominates the economy, employing four-fifths of the population and taking up half of GDP. “Laos is perhaps more than ever before looking for ways to increase its foreign direct investment and strengthen its economic standing in the region and beyond,” Gretchen A. Kunze, Laos representative for the nonprofit Asia Foundation, tells TIME.
Lack of infrastructure remains a massive headache, however. The country has only ever boasted 6.5 km of antiquated railway, and so its population of 6 million makes do with a dilapidated road network that is little more than a chain of muddy potholes. To remedy this, a train route linking Kunming, in China’s southwestern Yunnan province, with the Laotian capital Vientiane, and then going south through Thailand to Singapore, was first touted three years ago. As Laos is a landlocked country with a jagged mountainous terrain, facilitating the movement of goods and reducing transportation costs are seen as key components toward future prosperity. Construction was originally due to be completed by 2015.
However, Beijing pulled out from funding the project directly last year after a series of feasibility studies showed the numbers just did not add up. It is little secret why. The 420-km track would require burrowing 76 tunnels and constructing 152 bridges — representing two-thirds of the entire route — plus two extra crossings to traverse the mighty Mekong River. Twenty stations would initially be opened with an additional 11 to be added at a later date. By any stretch of the imagination it is a colossal feat of engineering, and so China decided to instead make do with a new road skirting the Mekong as it forms the border between Laos and Burma and entering Thailand farther south. This, however, offers little benefit for Laos itself.
And so to achieve a miraculous transformation from landlocked backwoods to globally linked manufacturing hub, Laos was left to push forward with the project alone — albeit with borrowed Chinese cash. Buoyed by talk of a new Thai express railway to link Nong Khai, by the Laos border, with Bangkok, Laos’ 11-member Politburo unanimously approved negotiating the $7.2 billion loan from the state-owned Export-Import Bank of China. Chinese state media quoted the Laos Minister for Energy and Mines in October saying the deal would involve 5 million metric tons of minerals, mainly potash, being imported from Laos every year until 2020, as well as timber and agricultural concessions.
The state’s view is that the deal represents the dawn of Laos’ economic transformation. “Lao people consider the high-speed railway as a symbol of the modernization as they see on foreign TV,” says Ekaphone Phouthonesy, deputy editor of the government-owned Vientiane Times. “The business sector has also welcomed the development project as they believe cheap transportation will make cost of production low.” Beijing, unsurprisingly, has also been vocal at rebutting disapproval of the railway deal. A recent article in the Global Times, an English-language newspaper published by the People’s Daily, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, bemoaned Western criticism of the project, and argued that Laos had an estimated GDP of $17.4 billion in 2011 when calculated by purchasing-power parity, thereby making the total bill appear slightly more palatable.
Observers remain unconvinced. “No Chinese investment deal comes without strings,” says Jonah Blank, a senior political scientist specializing in Southeast Asia for the Rand Corp., a global-policy think tank. “In political terms, no country that owes 86% of its GDP to another can be said to have a truly unfettered foreign policy.” Meanwhile, a Laos Finance Ministry official was quoted by Radio Free Asia in December estimating that his government would have to stump up a whopping $3 billion in interest payments alone (calculated by 2% per annum compounded over 30 years). And there are question marks over what benefits the railway would bring in the short term. “At present, Laos is not manufacturing much, in large part because of its low human-resource development and lack of skilled workers,” explains Kunze. “So the idea of Laos utilizing a rail system to export its own goods is still a way off.”
Why would the Laos government bank on such a scheme? “It seems like a gamble on rising commodity prices,” says Tim Forsyth, a lecturer on international development at the London School of Economics who specializes in Southeast Asia. The idea is that Laos’ mineral wealth will rise in value over the payment period, thus enabling the debt to be paid off more quickly than it presently appears. “It also sounds like an indirect form of landgrabbing because China gets access in return for its financial resources,” he adds. Beijing’s record in this regard is hardly exemplary. Comparable developments in Burma, Indonesia and Sri Lanka using vast quantities of imported labor have all met fierce local opposition. The Laos railway project would likely follow a similar pattern with 50,000 workers brought in for the five-year construction.
Aside from potentially crippling national debt for a white-elephant project, there are other serious objections. Railway construction would require, at minimum, a 50-m-wide section of land cleared on both sides of the entire route, as well as 100-m sections for tunnels and 3,000-by-250-m plots for station developments. There would also have to be additional space for construction equipment, storage and worker habitations. Laos is already notorious for illegal landgrabs made in support of local and foreign investments, and local NGOs have few doubts that the railway would gravely exacerbate this problem.
Many Lao, even in government, feel an aversion to dealing with the Middle Kingdom, with some preferring to protectively cement long-established relations with the Vietnamese. “I know that the Lao are not of one mind when it comes to how far to go with the Chinese,” Ernie Bower, head of the Southeast Asia program for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, tells TIME. “And Vietnam has been fighting tooth and nail for the hearts and minds of the Lao over the last decade.”
Lao who disagree with the project likely face grave risks. On Dec. 15, Sombath Somphone, an award-winning civil-society activist and land-rights campaigner, vanished without a trace. Security-camera footage shows him seemingly being detained by security officials in Vientiane. His whereabouts remain a mystery. Even more shocking is that, unlike other disappeared activists, Sombath was never considered a particularly divisive figure, and generally worked in a conciliatory manner with local officials to negotiate the best possible deal for farmers and the rural poor.
Phil Robertson, deputy director of Human Rights Watch’s Asia division, tells TIME that he has “no doubt whatsoever” that the Laotian authorities are behind Sombath’s disappearance and continued detention. “They are warning other people: ‘Look what we can do — if we can take down someone of his repute, then what are we going to do with smaller land activists?’” he says. “It has had a chilling effect on the ground, and people are very scared to speak out.” It looks like Laos’ grandiose train project could be very costly in human as well as financial terms.
From 2011 to 2013 ....& looking for somewhere to place some Houei Xai photos.Davidfl;264336 wrote: Houei Xai it was then for 3 nights.
There was a Buddhist ceremony in honour of a recently departed senior citizen, right in the centre of town on the main street.
There's a new bakery in town owned by Ms Bakery
Years ago on my first Laos ride we ate at a small wood & bamboo shack beside the road. The owners have progressed a bit & now have the Riverside Houei Xai hotel. The best accommodation in town.
And the best? restaurant.
The terrace beside the Mekong.
Sunset over The Mekong.
Wat Jom Kao Manilat is up on the hill overlooking Houei Xai & Chiang Khong.
You can walk up the steps
or ride up the back way, if you have a bike.
The main viharn is under going renovation
on the front side
The Chiang Khong - Houei Xai border crossing is very busy with scores of vehicles being ferried across every day. Often 80-100 per cars / trucks a day according to Customs, & the car ferries run till late most days.
The ferry operators are making good money, & so they should before the new bridge is built & they lose their source of income.
An interesting update on The Kings Roman Casino city development complexDavidfl;264369 wrote: HOUEI XAI - THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE
DON XAO
The Lao island in the Mekong
I've been to Don Sao many times by boat from the Golden Triangle on the Thai side, delivering maps with Happy-Go-Lucky & stocking up on Beer Laos.
Actually getting my bike onto the island has always been one of my "dreams."
And it was no big deal. The Chinese are taking over & there is a dry season causeway out to the island (from the Laos side of course.)
The river road on the Laos side is just about all asphalt to the GT except for a few kms of stony dirt / gravel.
Then once you get to the GT you are in the Chinese Casino & Entertainment city.
It is almost like being in another world!
but it is a work in progress.
Housing being built for the masses who will eventually live & settle there.
The new immigration checkpoint
ready a bit before it's time
and not for farang to use!
The Golden Triangle view from the Laos side
Need a taxi to get around
I saw stretch limos on the road between Houei Xai & The Golden Triangle. No doubt running punters up & down from HX.
The AT was in a class of it's own in the car park & attracted a few admirers!
Ho. Ho.
Eventually you wont need to use the limo to get to the GT from HX, but fly straight in. The new airstrip.
Progress & it is full speed ahead in N Laos with the Chinese "taking over."
Eventually even the tourist shops on Don Sao island will have to go & everybody move out. Go see it now while you can & it is still there.
See
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LL23Ae01.html
and
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/MA08Ae01.html
for info on the almighty Chinese investments.
Davidfl;265965 wrote: VANG VIENG Contd
My stay in VV was only spoiled by the group of noisy Chinese staying at the Vilayvong guesthouse. A large group they had 15 rooms booked
all the bungalows, plus riverside rooms on the car park side were theirs. Plus they had vehicles to spare.
and what was it all about
The high speed China - Laos railway. Announced last year with a completion date set for 2014!
Hard to believe? Then take a look at this
some more info from Lao Voices
When I first read the reports, I thought yeah yeah, maybe in 10 more years, but after seeing the staff & vehicles in Vang Vieng it is full speed ahead & I don't doubt that it will happen in just a few years, although the 2014 date still seems unrealistic. But then again. There are a few thousand Chinese in the country working non-stop on the project. West of Phou Khoun supposedly they are digging the tunnels already & there are huge camps of Burmese? labourers out there doing the heavy work. How fast time changes in Laos. Best ride & go there asap.
High speed rail could bankrupt Laos, butit’ll keep China happy
http://theconversation.com/high-speed-rail-could-bankrupt-laos-but-itll-keep-china-happy-22657
Despite impressive economic growth rates over the last decade, a third ofLaos’s population still lives below the extreme poverty line of US$1.25 perday. Most of the extreme poor Laos are ethnic minorities…
Author - Keith Barney
Lecturer: Resources, Environment, and Development Group at Australian NationalUniversity
Disclosure Statement
Keith Barney does not work for, consult to, own shares in or receive fundingfrom any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and hasno relevant affiliations.
Australian National University Provides funding as a Member of TheConversation.
anu.edu.au
The proposed railway hasn’t got everyone in Laos excited. LUONG THAI LINH/EPA
Despite impressive economic growth rates over the last decade, a third ofLaos’s population still lives below the extreme poverty line of US$1.25 perday. Most of the extreme poor Laos are ethnic minorities living in rural andupland districts, who depend on local ecological resources for cash income andfood.
Expanding transport infrastructure can no doubt be very important for effectivepoverty reduction – but it would be a stretch to argue that the country’s mosturgent human and social development need is a high-speed rail connectionbetween its capital, Vientiane, and its northern neighbour China.
Yet, the Lao government has reiterated its intention to integrate into anemerging ASEAN-China high-speed railway grid. At times, the country’s quest forrail takes on an almost fetishistic quality, with officials simply repeatingthe mantra that the Laos must move “from land-locked to land-linked”. But forall their zeal, the economic case for high speed rail in Laos remains weak.
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Two projects
Laos actually has two high-speed railway projects under consideration. The firstand more expensive one, costing about US$7 billion, would form part of anintegrated Kunming-Bangkok-Singapore railway. Extending 420km north fromVientiane, it must cross mountainous terrain and numerous river valleys innorthern Laos.
This is a gargantuan undertaking for a country that’s GDP was US$9.4 billion in2012. Nevertheless, the Laos National Assembly approved the Laos-China railproject in October 2012, proposing a US$6.8 billion loan from China’s Exim Bankto cover its cost. According to a 22-page document submitted to the NationalAssembly, the loan would be guaranteed by all of the income and assets of therailway, and two unspecified mining areas.
There is also a geopolitical angle. The potential for strategic and militaryapplications of high-speed rail projects has been noted, and some argue thatChina is working to push an Asian rail network to extend its power andinfluence throughout the region.
Laos’s second line would run 220km east-west through central Savannakhetprovince. It is still quite unclear how this line would be connected to anysupporting rail infrastructure in either Thailand or Vietnam. At present, itrepresents a rather ambitious commercial venture to link the languid provincialtown of Savannakhet with the small border village of Lao Bao, at a proposedcost to the previously unknown Malaysian firm Giant Consolidated Ltd of someUS$5 billion.
The financier of the Savannakhet railway project is reported to be an entitynamed “Rich Ban-Corp Ltd”, initially reported as “Rich Banco” and based in NewZealand, but now apparently registered in Hong Kong. In the UK, Rich Ban-Corphas been listed as an “unauthorised firm”, and investors are warned not to dobusiness with it.
The last remaining train engine from Laos' French Colonial period. Time for anupgrade? ...your local connection, CC BY-NC-ND
These expensive new railway project proposals have drawn the attention of Laos’development partners. In October 2013 the IMF warned that the Lao-China railwaywould result in Laos’ total external debt leaping from its current level of32.5% of GDP to as high as 125% of GDP.
According to the IMF, this would exceed Laos’ threshold debt levels. Thecountry could suddenly be very vulnerable if, for example, China experienced acredit crisis, or if prices for Laos' key export commodities such as coppertook a sustained downturn.
Mega-preneurs
Given the high stakes – the price tags, the resource-based loan guarantees, theimplications for national sovereignty – one might expect the case for therailways to be spelled out. However it is not at all clear what sort ofanalysis is guiding Lao decision makers.
The pros and cons of rail projects should be assessed through detailed economiccalculations. This could mean examining the potential to actually promoteresource exports, the boost to economic productivity through measures such asthe “value of time travel saved”, or the effect on the labour market ofintegrating second tier cities with the main urban centers. Estimated benefitsfor tourism revenue could be quantified.
In Laos, this sort of analysis is, so far, completely missing. Instead, asignificant part of the Lao railway megaproject game seems to involve effortsby “megaproject entrepreneurs” to convince powerful decision makers and stateinstitutions that their investment plan has momentum, with deep pocketed (yetconveniently obscure) financial backers waiting in the wings.
Laos is particularly susceptible to these sort of opaque dealings throughpersonalised networks. Its state institutions are still a work in progress, andare unable or unwilling to foster a culture of transparency in decision making.The authoritarian nature of the party-state in Laos discourages critical debateor an open competition of ideas.
Perhaps there are defensible economic justifications for high-speed rail inLaos. The boost to regional integration and Laos’ agricultural and mineralexports such as potash, copper, and gold could be significant, although it isnot clear why expensive high speed infrastructure would be required forexporting these resources. Moody’s rating agency seems to accept the positivearguments anyway, indicating the Lao-China railway project will be “creditpositive” for the country.
But what of the opportunity cost? Even if there were a solid business case forhigh speed rail, it would still need to be considered alongside the potentialnational economic benefits of investing that US$7 billion across a range of keydevelopment sectors, from highway upgrades, to child malnutrition, maternalhealth, agricultural extension, and youth education and training programmes.
It is time for Laos’s government to open up and provided some transparency onhow these key decisions around high speed rail are going to being made, throughwhat information and data. The country may be about to commit a significantportion of its wealth to these projects; its citizens deserve to know they aregetting a good deal, and aren’t being used as a pawn by other nations and theircorporate interests.
Moving away from back room wheeling-dealing and towards fuller transparency andthe rule of law could help build confidence in Laos' institutions andgovernance standards. It would also help future, quality investment projectsachieve their full potential for promoting equitable economic growth andreducing poverty.
2014-0408 - Xinhua - China, Laos ready to launch negotiations on railway cooperation deal
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-04/08/c_126368506.htm
China, Laos ready to launch negotiations on railway cooperation deal
English.news.cn | 2014-04-08 22:47:23 | Editor: Mu Xuequan
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang (R) shakes hands with Lao Prime Minister Thongsing Thammavong before their talks in Sanya, capital of south China's Hainan Province, April 8, 2014. (Xinhua/Li Xueren)
SANYA, Hainan, April 8 (Xinhua) -- China and Laos announced they were willing to launch negotiations on a railway cooperation agreement on Tuesday in the southern Chinese city of Sanya during talks between the two prime ministers.
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang held talks with Prime Minister of Laos Thongsing Thammavong, who is on a visit to China and will attend the annual conference of the Boao Forum for Asia (BFA) later this week.
Railway cooperation constitutes an important part in bilateral cooperation on major projects, Li said, adding that China will seek an early signing of the deal in order to lay the foundation for next-step cooperation.
Both China and Laos stand at a critical moment of deepening reform, which will bring opportunities for developing bilateral ties, Li said. Li noted that China will take continuous measures to stabilize economic growth, restructure the economy and benefit the country's people, and added that Laos is also accelerating efforts to advance the economy and living standards.
Thongsing thanked China for its assistance and hailed the development of bilateral ties in recent years that have brought substantial benefit to the two peoples.
He said Laos is committed to reform and opening-up and is ready to grasp the opportunity brought by China's development. He also called on the two countries to strengthen their exchanges on national governance and experience sharing, expand cooperation in all areas, promote railway cooperation to achieve early progress, and jointly maintain regional peace, stability and development.
Thongsing hailed China's efforts in searching for missing flight MH370 and expressed sympathy to relatives of the Chinese passengers. Li appreciated the message of condolences sent by Thongsing after the event, saying China will keep close contact and cooperation with all relevant parties.
After the talks, the two prime ministers witnessed the signing of a bilateral financial cooperation deal. Chinese State Councilor Yang Jing also attended the talks.
Thongsing is paying an official visit to China at the invitation of Li. He will also attend the opening ceremony of the BFA annual conference on Thursday in Boao, a coastal town in China's southernmost island province of Hainan.
Founded in 2001, the BFA is a non-governmental and non-profit international organization committed to regional economic integration and bringing Asian countries closer to their development goals.
Davidfl;264369 wrote: HOUEI XAI - THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE
DON XAO
The Lao island in the Mekong
I've been to Don Sao many times by boat from the Golden Triangle on the Thai side, delivering maps with Happy-Go-Lucky & stocking up on Beer Laos.
Actually getting my bike onto the island has always been one of my "dreams."
And it was no big deal. The Chinese are taking over & there is a dry season causeway out to the island (from the Laos side of course.)
The river road on the Laos side is just about all asphalt to the GT except for a few kms of stony dirt / gravel.
Then once you get to the GT you are in the Chinese Casino & Entertainment city.
It is almost like being in another world!
but it is a work in progress.
Housing being built for the masses who will eventually live & settle there.
The new immigration checkpoint
ready a bit before it's time
and not for farang to use!
The Golden Triangle view from the Laos side
Need a taxi to get around
I saw stretch limos on the road between Houei Xai & The Golden Triangle. No doubt running punters up & down from HX.
The AT was in a class of it's own in the car park & attracted a few admirers!
Ho. Ho.
Eventually you wont need to use the limo to get to the GT from HX, but fly straight in. The new airstrip.
Progress & it is full speed ahead in N Laos with the Chinese "taking over."
Eventually even the tourist shops on Don Sao island will have to go & everybody move out. Go see it now while you can & it is still there.
See
Buy Steroids Online - Steroids For Sale in USA
and
Buy Steroids Online - Steroids For Sale in USA
for info on the almighty Chinese investments.
Another article on that high speed trail still slated for Laos.
AND
A vdo clip
Boten Phoenix arises again... (I particularly like that Ore uses medium format film cameras):